Sources say he was elected prime minister, not prime minister-designate. Can you provide the reference that he officially becomes a PM when the government is confirmed? --Tone 13:49, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Miro Cerar was elected on 25 August 2014 but took office together with ministers on 18 September 2014.
Alenka Bratušek was elected on 27 February 2013, but took office on 20 March 2013, when government was confirmed.
...the same goes for all other Prime Minister
Law: Zakon o vladi RS
Paragraph 3, Article 11: "Šteje se, da je vlada nastopila funkcijo, če je imenovanih več kot dve tretjini ministrov, pri čemer se ne vštevajo ministri brez resorja. Predsednik vlade mora v desetih dneh po nastopu funkcije vlade predlagati še neimenovane ministre, oziroma obvestiti Državni zbor, katere resorje bo začasno, vendar ne dlje kot za tri mesece, prevzel sam ali jih poveril drugemu ministru."
- True, this relates to the beginning of the cabinet term, not the PM. Today, PM was already sworn in. Has this changed? IMO we should change for Cerar as well. --Tone 13:59, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
- See for example: "40-letni Šarec je z današnjo izvolitvijo postal deveti predsednik vlade, medtem ko bo njegova vlada, če jo bo uspel dokončno sestaviti, 13. v samostojni Sloveniji. " --Tone 14:00, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
- He is Prime Minister-Designate (mandatar), which means he has to form government now. Until then, current government is still in office, incuding Prime Minister Cerar. Šarec cannot be Prime Minister without cabinet (ministers). He has no power at the moment, only mandate to form government.
- It's the same situation as with U.S. President-Elect, he is President, but has not power until he takes office on 20 January, until then seating President has all power.
- I understand your point but then all the sources are wrong ... That's why I am asking for a detailed reference. The law you cite is about the cabinet, not the PM. --Tone 14:24, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
- It's the same situation as with U.S. President-Elect, he is President, but has not power until he takes office on 20 January, until then seating President has all power.
- He is Prime Minister-Designate (mandatar), which means he has to form government now. Until then, current government is still in office, incuding Prime Minister Cerar. Šarec cannot be Prime Minister without cabinet (ministers). He has no power at the moment, only mandate to form government.
- No, the source i stated is for government as a whole. According to article 110 of Constitution ("Vlado sestavljajo predsednik in ministri. Vlada in posamezni ministri so v okviru svojih pristojnosti samostojni in odgovorni državnemu zboru."), government consists of Prime Minister and ministers, they all take office at the same time - when government is confirmed in the National Assembly. Once again, Marjan Šarec is Prime Minister-Designate, so he has to form government now, if he fails he will not take office at all. So country cannot be without government (logic). Cerar and his 12th Government remain in office, until new, 13th Government (Šarec Cabinet) is elected - meaning that at least two thirds of ministers is elected.
- And no, sources are not wrong, he was elected Prime Minister, but won't take office until he forms the 13th government.
- Ok, the constitution is a better source. Though this means that the media get it wrong, they say he became the PM :P --Tone 14:34, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
- No, the source i stated is for government as a whole. According to article 110 of Constitution ("Vlado sestavljajo predsednik in ministri. Vlada in posamezni ministri so v okviru svojih pristojnosti samostojni in odgovorni državnemu zboru."), government consists of Prime Minister and ministers, they all take office at the same time - when government is confirmed in the National Assembly. Once again, Marjan Šarec is Prime Minister-Designate, so he has to form government now, if he fails he will not take office at all. So country cannot be without government (logic). Cerar and his 12th Government remain in office, until new, 13th Government (Šarec Cabinet) is elected - meaning that at least two thirds of ministers is elected.
- No, they don't, you have to understand the difference between Prime Minister and Prime Minister-Designate. One officially becomes Prime Minister, when he gets his government elected, until then old government has all powers.
- [1] [2] Anyway, I think we solved the problem with the timing of the update. --Tone 14:38, 17 August 2018 (UTC)